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A$AP Ferg praised Kendrick Lamar and J Cole when he stopped by XXL’s DJ Whoo Kid’s podcast, Whoolywood Shuffle. The A$AP Mob member gave his reasoning behind why he thinks the two of them have had such success with the masses.

“At the end of the day, I feel like the biggest artists are the ones who are actually saying something that you can hear and put towards your life,” he explains. “You know like, Kendrick, J. Cole…I think those guys are huge because their music is medicine. Like, people can use it—they take it like a pill.”

One thing we know for sure is—the numbers don’t lie and both rappers have proven that, time and time again.

You can check out the episode of Whoolywood Shuffle to hear Ferg’s opinion on Kendrick and Cole below. His comments start around the 18:50 mark.